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clinton tax rates. so if republicans in the house succeed in preventing anything from happening this time, something will actually happen, and everyone's tax rates will go up. joining me, justin reuben and ezra klein. ezra, i want to start with you on something. justin was in the room with the president today, i am going to torture him in a second to get what the president said. we have what's being treated as breaking news tonight by some of the newspapers that the president's tax revenue target in going forward is 1.6 trillion. it is something he said before when he said his opening position negotiating this is his past budget position. but what is the emphasis now on the 1.6 trillion in additional tax revenue due to where the tax discussions are going to go. >> they are looking for 1.6 trillion. but people are missing what's important about the white house position. what the white house is saying and this matters for these negotiations, john boehner's position is he is open to revenue, but not if it
clinton tax rates. so if republicans in the house succeed in preventing anything from happening this time, something will actually happen, and everyone's tax rates will go up. joining me, justin reuben and ezra klein. ezra, i want to start with you on something. justin was in the room with the president today, i am going to torture him in a second to get what the president said. we have what's being treated as breaking news tonight by some of the newspapers that the president's tax revenue...
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the hurricane sandy thing, if bill clinton really thinks that, bill clinton is wrong. that is now how president obama won. >> i think you hit on something in the opening. he must be on drugs. there's no way that bill clinton and he had that conversation. what i'm worried about, i'm hearing let's change our words. what's the right thing we have to say, without the understanding it's your policy. it's also that you don't make people feel welcome in your party when you talk about people as aliens or when you say those people and the free stuff and decide we don't have to talk to them and ask them for their vote or show them respect that. is a fundamentally deeper problem this republican party has right now. >> janet and karen, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >>> coming up, four more years. what to expect in president obama's second term from the author of "barack obama, the story." >>> and in the "rewrite," it's not about the sex. it's about the judgment of david petraeus. but in talking about the cia director's very bad judgment, i am going to have t
the hurricane sandy thing, if bill clinton really thinks that, bill clinton is wrong. that is now how president obama won. >> i think you hit on something in the opening. he must be on drugs. there's no way that bill clinton and he had that conversation. what i'm worried about, i'm hearing let's change our words. what's the right thing we have to say, without the understanding it's your policy. it's also that you don't make people feel welcome in your party when you talk about people as...
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you talk about bringing bill clinton back in, the master of arithmetic. what did president obama call him? the master of how to count things or whatever. then you have the loser who had some interesting ideas about getting rid of deductions it seems. where do you see the real plus of these two fellows coming in on this deal and helping the president cut a deal? >> chris, the real theme of the piece, my long time colleague nelson cunningham and i wrote, we have to have all hands on deck to solve these issues that are clearly before us. they're solvable but not without a sense of purpose and unity. basically you have president clinton who has the credibility of balancing the budget and then leaving a surplus. that's a pretty strong record to stand on and a lot of knowledge and experience. secondly, you hit it, he is -- he does do arithmetic well. he's also a pretty good salesman, pretty good persuader. i think you have those two great attributes with the former president. and governor romney, he's a problem solver, he's a business person. he knows how to re
you talk about bringing bill clinton back in, the master of arithmetic. what did president obama call him? the master of how to count things or whatever. then you have the loser who had some interesting ideas about getting rid of deductions it seems. where do you see the real plus of these two fellows coming in on this deal and helping the president cut a deal? >> chris, the real theme of the piece, my long time colleague nelson cunningham and i wrote, we have to have all hands on deck to...
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bill clinton's liaison with lewinsky, first term. the actual plame leaks, first term. so if the obama team was going to mess up, history suggests, they already did. maybe it's something that has made headlines already, but maybe not. remember, the lewinsky scandal didn't surface until 1998. maybe the obama administration will make its own history and avoid a second-term scandal. but if not, disney world may seem very appealing. you know, it was interesting, in the president's news conference, he said he was well aware of the history of presidential overreach in second terms. that's a little bit of a different subject, but you get the sense that anyone that much aware of presidential history knows that second-term scandals can be a problem and most likely will be really, really careful. wolf? >> john berman, thank you. good history lesson for all of us. remember, you can follow what's
bill clinton's liaison with lewinsky, first term. the actual plame leaks, first term. so if the obama team was going to mess up, history suggests, they already did. maybe it's something that has made headlines already, but maybe not. remember, the lewinsky scandal didn't surface until 1998. maybe the obama administration will make its own history and avoid a second-term scandal. but if not, disney world may seem very appealing. you know, it was interesting, in the president's news conference,...
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we're also not done with the bill clintons of of the world and the barack obamas of the world. >> we hear rand paul is talking about not a 30-year run but possibly four years. >> he's still viable. i think it's important to remember that what allen west represented beyond just the tea party was an anti-islamic really almost jihadism and it took root in south florida. he was very stridently anti-muslim and in a way that was ironic because he is an african-american and he took that to extremes as well. at the end of the day he also voted to raise the debt ceiling. so he wasn't a purist on tea party ideology. he think he represents a lot of the contradictions and a lot of the failings of the extreme right and his having lost even narrowly was a huge symbolic victory for democrats. he was one of the top ten targets for democrats in the 2012 election. his losing has great significance. i agree with goldie that tea party ideology is the republican party's base, it's part of them, but him losing i think was an important movement for tolerance and i think for a more moderate and hopefully mo
we're also not done with the bill clintons of of the world and the barack obamas of the world. >> we hear rand paul is talking about not a 30-year run but possibly four years. >> he's still viable. i think it's important to remember that what allen west represented beyond just the tea party was an anti-islamic really almost jihadism and it took root in south florida. he was very stridently anti-muslim and in a way that was ironic because he is an african-american and he took that to...
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said i represent the 57% of americans who did not vote for bill clinton. paul ryan gave an interview saying he didn't believe that president obama has a mandate because he didn't win both congresses. you have to say eisenhower, nixon, reagan, other presidents substantially re-elected or elected didn't have mandates themselves. >> tom brokaw, in this second term as the president begins to decide how to shape his policies, be he according to all that have talked to him and other white house officials want to get things done. he told the "des moines register" in an interview he thought was going to be held as an off the record interview, wanted to do something big on immigration. clearing the deck of these investigations as you said and this our aura of scandal is critical to have the power on capitol hill to make tough decisions. >> rudy giuliani said before this election and says it in a kind of joshing way, that he doesn't want a second term, he wants a second chance. i thought that was accurate. he does want a second chance and the country needs for him t
said i represent the 57% of americans who did not vote for bill clinton. paul ryan gave an interview saying he didn't believe that president obama has a mandate because he didn't win both congresses. you have to say eisenhower, nixon, reagan, other presidents substantially re-elected or elected didn't have mandates themselves. >> tom brokaw, in this second term as the president begins to decide how to shape his policies, be he according to all that have talked to him and other white house...
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we got bill clinton impeached. we're going to impeach this president as well and then john boehner will be president so ha, ha ha. ha ha, ha to you frank. this scandal does not touch barack obama. he didn't know about it. he didn't do it. he had nothing to do with it. eric cantor knew about it. maybe we should impeach eric cantor. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press." this wednesday morning november 14. oh, man. lots going on. congress back in session and trying to deal with the fiscal cliff. so is president obama. all anybody is talking about is all of the latest with the david petraeus sex scandal. think about it. two generals, two famous generals, two top generals, two women. you got politics involved. you got the military involved. you got maybe national security documents involved. i'm telling you, how long before we see the hollywood movie? which is going to be first? the book or the movie or the tv series? who knows. maybe all three. we'll get into that and a w
we got bill clinton impeached. we're going to impeach this president as well and then john boehner will be president so ha, ha ha. ha ha, ha to you frank. this scandal does not touch barack obama. he didn't know about it. he didn't do it. he had nothing to do with it. eric cantor knew about it. maybe we should impeach eric cantor. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> bill: good morning everybody. welcome to the "full court press." this wednesday morning november 14. oh, man. lots going on....
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he used to represent president bill clinton, john edwards and jack abramoff. judy smith has been brought in as a crisis manager. she used to work as a crisis manager for monica lewinsky. we don't know if these heavy hitters that have been brought in to represent the family can tell us anything about what's contained in those 20,000 to 30,000 documents. outside the family's home in tampa. >> i will only add to that, that 20,000 to 30,000 pages of documents, which is a teeny tiny difference. that's a whole bunch of documents. >>> debbie wasserman schultz will join us to talk about this scandal. >>> and the fiscal cliff. >>> return of the jedi. little boy, look at this. how cute is this? wait till the big reveal. it's awesome. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and th
he used to represent president bill clinton, john edwards and jack abramoff. judy smith has been brought in as a crisis manager. she used to work as a crisis manager for monica lewinsky. we don't know if these heavy hitters that have been brought in to represent the family can tell us anything about what's contained in those 20,000 to 30,000 documents. outside the family's home in tampa. >> i will only add to that, that 20,000 to 30,000 pages of documents, which is a teeny tiny...
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most of it followed bill clinton's 1993 tax increase. now, mitt romney has just spent two years telling us that tax cuts are all you need to stimulate the economy. is that wrong? >> absolutely wrong. supply side economics is bunk. we have seen historically not only when bill clinton raised taxes the economy did very well. george w. bush in 2001, 2003, cut taxes and the economy did very badly and then ultimately went really over a cliff in 2008. or more evidence for the first three decades after the second world war in the united states, the top tax rate never fell below 70% under dwight d. eisenhower, president eisenhower -- >> and yet professor, we have heard paul ryan, the so-called budget policy wonk of the house, repeatedly tell us that what we need to do is cut taxes and the economy does great. >> well, that's just simply not true. we had an election. most of the americans obviously did not believe that nonsense, and it is absolutely nonsense. there's no correlation at all between tax rates on the very top and the economy doing wors
most of it followed bill clinton's 1993 tax increase. now, mitt romney has just spent two years telling us that tax cuts are all you need to stimulate the economy. is that wrong? >> absolutely wrong. supply side economics is bunk. we have seen historically not only when bill clinton raised taxes the economy did very well. george w. bush in 2001, 2003, cut taxes and the economy did very badly and then ultimately went really over a cliff in 2008. or more evidence for the first three decades...
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clinton, john edwards and jack abramoff. judy smith has also been hired by jill kelley. she's a crisis manager. and you may remember smith from her crisis management representation of mon ica lewinsky. heavy hitters to represent the family as this family is expecting a barrage of media questions in the next days to weeks as this scandal unfolds. carol? >> wow, i'm still getting over that house. that's something else. jason lanning, bay news 9. thank you so much. paula broadwell's biography of general david petraeus is one hot seller. no kidding. it climbed out of the cellar to the 111th spot on the best seller list. nothing like a besex scandal to promote a book, something she did not mention on her book tour. >> when i realized the opportunity i had to tell this message to present this portrait of military leadership, i'm not in love with david petraeus, but he is a great role model, values oriented, speaks the truth to power. >> you think this is the weirdest twist, you would be wrong. yes, there is word this morning of a
clinton, john edwards and jack abramoff. judy smith has also been hired by jill kelley. she's a crisis manager. and you may remember smith from her crisis management representation of mon ica lewinsky. heavy hitters to represent the family as this family is expecting a barrage of media questions in the next days to weeks as this scandal unfolds. carol? >> wow, i'm still getting over that house. that's something else. jason lanning, bay news 9. thank you so much. paula broadwell's...
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. >> okay, well look at what president clinton did 15 years ago. he signed the sunshine bill, and that stopped all the assault rifles in the united states for ten years. these were gone for ten years unless i want to sell walmart guns. >> cenk: thank god. you want to sell these things. you're in favor of assault rifles being legal. there is no legitimate use for this. if you're a hunter, do you use this stuff? what the hell do you use this for? again explain it to me because i don't own guns. what in the world would you shoot with these things. investment? go get some stocks. >> yeah, well, if these guns are outlawed the price doubles and we can't get any more. but the people who buy them will be grandfathered. they'll be able to keep them and sell them to other people. but the dealers won't be able to get them any more. people don't go hunting with these, but they're fun. i have five rifle ranges out here. if it's daytime i would go out and show you how much fun it is to shoot these. it's a lot of fun. >> cenk: i've done it. i've gone to a gun ran
. >> okay, well look at what president clinton did 15 years ago. he signed the sunshine bill, and that stopped all the assault rifles in the united states for ten years. these were gone for ten years unless i want to sell walmart guns. >> cenk: thank god. you want to sell these things. you're in favor of assault rifles being legal. there is no legitimate use for this. if you're a hunter, do you use this stuff? what the hell do you use this for? again explain it to me because i don't...
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bill clinton increased taxes and we had a much better economy than we had after george w. bush who cut taxes in 2001 and 2003. >> eliot: i'm going to talk about that event study in a few moments on the show. lastly there is another crisis emerging, which is the debt cereal something going to bump up us or we'll bump up against it in a short month or two. that has to be with this bargaining--they have to deal with it simultaneously i hope. >> boehner will say to the president, look, if you keep everything the way it is right now and extend the bush tax cuts temporarily into january or february then we will agree not to oppose an increase in the debt limit, and then we'll have our negotiations sometime in february or in march. i think the president needs to say no. the american public already went through that with you guys. one of the reasons you got a rubbing in the last election is because of your manipulations your subjecting to the american economy to the possibility of defaulting on the faith and credit of the united states. americans don't want that again. we are not
bill clinton increased taxes and we had a much better economy than we had after george w. bush who cut taxes in 2001 and 2003. >> eliot: i'm going to talk about that event study in a few moments on the show. lastly there is another crisis emerging, which is the debt cereal something going to bump up us or we'll bump up against it in a short month or two. that has to be with this bargaining--they have to deal with it simultaneously i hope. >> boehner will say to the president, look,...
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happy 20th affairs to bill clinton for being elected. >> stephanie: yay! he said let's see, i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below 250,000. >> it's like his father becomes back from the grave and he becomes sane again. >> stephanie: carl in nashville. you're on with john. >> caller: you know, steph what i did purposely was not listen to the right wing radio the national and local shows. they've learned absolutely nothing, nothing at all. >> stephanie: self introspection not their bag. >> that's the third stage of fox grief, you learn nothing. >> caller: they lost because a lot of people want a handout not because of poor policies. i'm telling you and you can take this to the bank. the most shacking and stunning thing out of the election is what happened in florida. florida is now a blue state. >> right on oh. >> caller: because cubans, cubans voted more for democrats than republicans and that hasn't happened since the bay of pigs. that's crucial. they ought to be panicking and burning their hair out.
happy 20th affairs to bill clinton for being elected. >> stephanie: yay! he said let's see, i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below 250,000. >> it's like his father becomes back from the grave and he becomes sane again. >> stephanie: carl in nashville. you're on with john. >> caller: you know, steph what i did purposely was not listen to the right wing radio the national and local shows. they've learned absolutely...
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on taxes it's as bill clinton said. it's simple math. spending is at 24% of gdp. taxes are at about 15% of gdp right now. even the most conservative member of congress only proposes to bring spending down to say 20% or even 19% of gdp. you still have a 4% to 5% gap. that represents hundreds of billions of dollars that has to be made up. even if you assume growth could get back to 3%, that won't make up the gap. so taxes have to be on the table. there's no way to get around that if you want to actually deal with the fiscal crisis that we have. and what is most heartening to me is to learn today that the president is willing to take this show on the road, to go out into the states and make the case and actually reinforce that mandate he has and make republicans realize that those that want to work with him will be rewarded as people who are trying to solve people, those that want to obstruct will pay a political praice that they will feel at election time. >> his opening act has got to be rick ross. these haters are not going to hold me back. some of the conservativ
on taxes it's as bill clinton said. it's simple math. spending is at 24% of gdp. taxes are at about 15% of gdp right now. even the most conservative member of congress only proposes to bring spending down to say 20% or even 19% of gdp. you still have a 4% to 5% gap. that represents hundreds of billions of dollars that has to be made up. even if you assume growth could get back to 3%, that won't make up the gap. so taxes have to be on the table. there's no way to get around that if you want to...
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kelley just hired washington power attorney abbey lowe whose clients have included president bill clinton and former presidential candidate john edwards. she also hired judy smith, the head of a pr crisis firm who has represented big names like kobe bryant and michael vick and monica lewinsky. >> when you bring on these type of professionals, it doesn't necessarily mean you've done anything wrong, but it usually means you have been involved in something that's quite interesting. >> reporter: karen post, a branding expert and author of brand turnaround says these latest hires is a big red flag to her. she believes there are more twists and turns to come. >> it's got a cast of characters, a furious surprised wife of the general. it's got a book author. it's got a shirtless fbi agent. i mean it's got all the makings of a great story. >> reporter: post says the kelleys find themselves in the media vortex that could have the power couple cashing in on their instant celebrity. >> this story, i suspect, is going to go on quite some time and i would not be surprised if there was not a book about
kelley just hired washington power attorney abbey lowe whose clients have included president bill clinton and former presidential candidate john edwards. she also hired judy smith, the head of a pr crisis firm who has represented big names like kobe bryant and michael vick and monica lewinsky. >> when you bring on these type of professionals, it doesn't necessarily mean you've done anything wrong, but it usually means you have been involved in something that's quite interesting. >>...
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susan rice is appointing bill clinton as a marriage counselor. she has done nothing. we're in the passenger seat of car driven by 16-year-old that got his driver's lie sense and is texting. that's what i feel like. it call them the keystone cop ks but that would be insulting to them. the media is following the juicy pieces of gossip. we are forgetting about the important issue, benghazi. say it again to piss you off, bob. we spent so much time on the valerie plaem affair. they made in a movie and put it on cover of "vanity fair" and it was a stupid scandal. four people are dead in benghazi and we are talking about pages of e-mails. >> bob: let me ask you a question. because you don't like what she did on benghazi going around to the sunday talk show, name me one thing you know about her that disqualifies her for secretary of state? >> greg: that is enough for me. >> dana: she has had a less than shining career as u.n. ambassador. >> bob: how so. >> dana: she has big shoes to fill. but presidents get to choose who they want and if she is confirmed by the senate i wish
susan rice is appointing bill clinton as a marriage counselor. she has done nothing. we're in the passenger seat of car driven by 16-year-old that got his driver's lie sense and is texting. that's what i feel like. it call them the keystone cop ks but that would be insulting to them. the media is following the juicy pieces of gossip. we are forgetting about the important issue, benghazi. say it again to piss you off, bob. we spent so much time on the valerie plaem affair. they made in a movie...
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in 1996, bill clinton won big. you know who else won big? me. when i went back in january of 1997, was i willing to work any more after bill clinton won the election than before? no. a lot of republicans that won an election in the house as well. i just say that to say the president can go ahead -- and to follow up on david, he could do brinkmanship if he wants. a lot of these guys have spent the last couple years in the house standing up to the president going after him aggressively. he got re-elected. >> and the government's organized the same way. >> yes. if the president wants to engage in brinksmanship, he can. >> the message they took from their own re-election in their district was go back to washington and fight the president. don't cooperate with what he wants to do. >> right. >> all right, josh -- >> that's what i'm saying, brinksmanship seems to be short-sighted right now. i think instead of flying all across the country and spending taxpayer dollars on air force one and your security detail, could you just try inviting people over to
in 1996, bill clinton won big. you know who else won big? me. when i went back in january of 1997, was i willing to work any more after bill clinton won the election than before? no. a lot of republicans that won an election in the house as well. i just say that to say the president can go ahead -- and to follow up on david, he could do brinkmanship if he wants. a lot of these guys have spent the last couple years in the house standing up to the president going after him aggressively. he got...
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. >> we have talked about bill clinton as a super surrogate for barack obama. mike, the guy in that ad, he's a super anti-surrogate, an anti-validator of mitt romney. he looks like the voter that barack obama needed to change sides, that former reagan democrat, that white working class guy looking dead into the camera and saying, this guy destroyed us. he took away our livelihood and he made us build the stage that we had to stand on to announce the end of our jobs. it was absolutely the most devastating ad, but what was also remarkable was the romney people had no response. look, they had a six-month lead time on this line of attack because remember something called winning our future pac? they ran a 27 minute ad of this same message. romney, because he survived in florida after that, he seemed to think i can get over this because he didn't respond. >> i talked to -- >> jane mayer, you write in your piece that sarah palin of all people thought that the bain ad had a negative impact on mitt romney's candidacy. she thinks it worked. here she is on fox on electio
. >> we have talked about bill clinton as a super surrogate for barack obama. mike, the guy in that ad, he's a super anti-surrogate, an anti-validator of mitt romney. he looks like the voter that barack obama needed to change sides, that former reagan democrat, that white working class guy looking dead into the camera and saying, this guy destroyed us. he took away our livelihood and he made us build the stage that we had to stand on to announce the end of our jobs. it was absolutely the...
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clinton and monica lewinsky however this one has gone far beyond the borders of a standard sex scandal if the resignation of the cia director hasn't stopped the fallout will it all end. quite hard to tell this may sound like a huge manyfold family drama but it's more serious than that under military law adultery here can be acquired and punishment can be time in prison although general allen will remain the commander in afghanistan defense secretary panetta said he had asked president obama to delay the general's nomination to be the commander of american forces in europe and the supreme allied commander of nato so john allen would be the third again his staying general that well from grace so abruptly and shockingly too many first it was general stanley mcchrystal resigned when a magazine quoted him saying unflattering things about the administration that general petraeus over a woman and now general general john allen that is three of the biggest names in the war in afghanistan it's all right and he's a gunner to go there live in washington thank you. when the mean time of my five in
clinton and monica lewinsky however this one has gone far beyond the borders of a standard sex scandal if the resignation of the cia director hasn't stopped the fallout will it all end. quite hard to tell this may sound like a huge manyfold family drama but it's more serious than that under military law adultery here can be acquired and punishment can be time in prison although general allen will remain the commander in afghanistan defense secretary panetta said he had asked president obama to...
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a job in their lives because it's absolutely insane what they're saying you talk about bill clinton well first of all he had inherited the regular economy so just about anybody could be successful going to him he was a disaster no no if we had had this because we had a very good crash the biggest stock market crash the biggest the highest unemployment rate since the great depression in the reagan economy it was after reagan went off axis and i would say as a result of the next. so but we'll disagree on that but what we can't what we will agree on is that it was a very different time twenty years ago america was the world's largest exporter america was the world's largest manufacturer which we still are just by a hair and we're going to lose that here very soon to our competitors our competitors are kicking our butts we need to do something differently nobody who has ever created a job in their lives would ever be advocating for raising taxes so while i am going to work neal be you know i've hired probably at least two hundred people in my life when or i realize that and i've found i
a job in their lives because it's absolutely insane what they're saying you talk about bill clinton well first of all he had inherited the regular economy so just about anybody could be successful going to him he was a disaster no no if we had had this because we had a very good crash the biggest stock market crash the biggest the highest unemployment rate since the great depression in the reagan economy it was after reagan went off axis and i would say as a result of the next. so but we'll...
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stuart: bill clinton did not start out with a trillion dollars worth of deficits. at the time it was the highest deficit we'd ever had. stuart: nowhere near the proportion of gdp we have now. >> we have much bigger problems and they require much bigger solutions, and everyone's got-- everyone here and that's why this election turned out wait it did. stuart: the r here is where i want to leave it. i've got something to say and you can counter it. this president, president obama wants to punish the rich. he doesn't like that, no? >> absolutely not. he wants fairness because a lot of people in this country knew the deck was stacked against them and then they saw people like mitt romney who maybe, maybe paid 15%, probably paid less than that. they want everyone to pay their fair share. and this is about fairness. stuart: 1% of the population pays 40% of all the taxes raised, half the population pays nothing and that is fair? i don't think so. mary anne, always a pleasure. >> i think. stuart: always a pleasure. >> all right, stuart, thank you. stuart: come and see us, t
stuart: bill clinton did not start out with a trillion dollars worth of deficits. at the time it was the highest deficit we'd ever had. stuart: nowhere near the proportion of gdp we have now. >> we have much bigger problems and they require much bigger solutions, and everyone's got-- everyone here and that's why this election turned out wait it did. stuart: the r here is where i want to leave it. i've got something to say and you can counter it. this president, president obama wants to...
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so in that sense hillary clinton certainly fit the bill for the job, and they're hoping that susan rice would fit the bill for the job. keep in mind these five interviews she did on the morning shows were essentially a tryout for her. she was trying to prove herself to the president, and in that sense, as you were saying earlier, she sort of stuck to the talking points. and i know it's unfair to get pilloried for sticking to the talking point, but do you want someone who will think for themselves or do you want someone -- she was trying to show she would be a good soldier and do what you wanted her to do, and she did that and that got her into a lot of trouble. if she thought perhaps a little more independently, questioned the talking points, read the intelligence herself, she might have answered these questions differently or spoken differently on the shows. >> richard, you disagree. you say she would be an autonomous member of the cabinet, she would be a separate principal with her own stature, would not be someone who would do something that tom donnelly would send over the notes and
so in that sense hillary clinton certainly fit the bill for the job, and they're hoping that susan rice would fit the bill for the job. keep in mind these five interviews she did on the morning shows were essentially a tryout for her. she was trying to prove herself to the president, and in that sense, as you were saying earlier, she sort of stuck to the talking points. and i know it's unfair to get pilloried for sticking to the talking point, but do you want someone who will think for...
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president in her corner, no matter what, bill clinton. but she has served president obama very well as has joe biden. wouldn't that president the president in a very tight spot? >> it would. >> well, like jonathan said i think some conversations will have to be had behind the scenes before they decide who will go forward. but i think the president will maybe say something -- you know, he'll try to stay out of it, but i think he'll make his choice known behind the scenes. >> so who on the right would be the biggest opponent? would it be a christie or rubio? >> those are certainly two candidates that could come forward in 10 t 2016. marco rubio saying his trip has nothing to do with 2016. nobody other than marco rubio believing that. you have to think about bobby jindal, the governor of louisiana, susanna martinez has gained a lot of interest among republicans lately. particularly after they were hammered with the latino vote in the last election. so there are a lot of republicans who could end up running. there will be some effort in the r
president in her corner, no matter what, bill clinton. but she has served president obama very well as has joe biden. wouldn't that president the president in a very tight spot? >> it would. >> well, like jonathan said i think some conversations will have to be had behind the scenes before they decide who will go forward. but i think the president will maybe say something -- you know, he'll try to stay out of it, but i think he'll make his choice known behind the scenes. >> so...